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Robert Marmion accompanied Strongbow to Ireland.
Strongbow (Richard de Claire) arrived in Ireland in August 1170; he had already sent many of his vassals from Wales to Ireland in 1169. Strongbow met Dermot and the Anglo-Norman knights, who were already there, with 200 men-at-arms and over one thousand archers. They took Waterford on St. Bartholomew's Eve [August 28, 1170], and a day later, he and Eve MacMurchada, upon the death of her father were married in the Cathedral in Waterford. Soon after the marriage, Strongbow, Dermot and their knights marched to Dublin and took that city and the adjacent surrounding lands. Strongbow and the other Anglo-Normans quickly took control of the cities of Dublin, Waterford, and Wexford and much of the southeastern land of Ireland.
It is a belief that the Marmions of Ireland descend from him. However, there is no proof.
Reference Books to check for more information:
History of the Noble Family of Marmyun 1817 Sir TC Banks
History of the Baronial Family of Marmion 1873 CR Palmer
Scrivelsby, the Home of Champions, with some account of the Marmion and Dykemore Families
DYMOKE of Scrivelsby, the family of the Queen's Champion and Standard Bearer of England, descends in the male line from Sir John Dymoke, King's Champion from 1377, by right of his marriage to the heiress of the noble house of Marmion, which had previously held Scrivelsby and the Champion's office.
|In the beginning there was Fontenay Le Marmion.
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|M A R M I O N P L A C E S|
There is no king who has not had a slave
among his ancestors, and no slave who
has not had a king among his.
Marmion is of Norman origin (see Fontenay-le-Marmion)
and the belief is they were the same family of Marmion in England and later in Ireland. Despite what has been written, there is still no proof that the Marmions in Ireland decend from Marmion the kings champion. There has been much debate as to the family's history however our intent is not going to be to debate this. We will present all the information available and it is up to each individual to make up their own minds and do their own research.
So the story goes:
During the time of William the Conqueror, the Marmions lived in Normandy, the Marmions and William had a common ancestor in Rollo the Granger. The Marmions acted as Champions to the Dukes of Normandy. When William arrived in England, he did so with his Champion, Sir Robert Marmion, the Lord of Fontenay. For his services Robert received grants of land in Lincoln, Gloucester, Warwick and Hereford, this also included Tamworth Castle. In England as in Normandy Robert acted as the King's Champion. After the Battle of Hastings, Scrivelsby
By the end of the reign of Henry I, Robert fell into disfavor and died penniless; Henry had stripped him of all he had. However, possibly because of how he treated the father, Henry gave Robert's son Roger back all he had taken from his father, and gave him even more. Included in these were Gloucestershire, Middelston, and also the barony in Carmarthenshire called Llanstephan. When Roger died, his son Robert inherited and he used his wealth for great works of charity. Yet for all his charitable works, his contemporaries did not like Robert in the least and felt he was impossible to get along with. He died young, in an accident, having set a trap for someone he was once again quarreling with and fell victim to it himself. His son Robert followed and he had a son Robert, whom he married to the daughter of Sir William Beauchamp, regaining Tamworth which his father had lost. This Robert was very likable and became quite famous during the time of Richard I, becoming the equivalent of a modern day Lord Chief Justice. He was Sheriff of Worcestershire as well. During the reign of King John, instead of joining the other Barons in a revolt, he left for Normandy, upon his return to England he decided to sign the Magna Carta with the other Barons, the King was angry by the betrayal and threatened to take most of his possessions away as well as destroy Tamworth Castle. This never came to pass and Robert died of old age, he had three sons, Robert, Robert and William. Robert the elder had the Normandy properties and these were seized by the French and Robert the younger held the English properties. The two countries separated, but the brothers made an agreement, that they would divide the lands in England amongst the three. Some time later Robert the elder needed to return to Normandy and passed all of his lands for a term of seven years to Peter de Rupibus, Bishop of Winchester, as well as the guardianship of his son and heir Phillip. His guardian was also allowed to marry Phillip to whom he though suitable, he married Phillip to Joane.
The next Sir Phillip was the most famous of all the nobles of the court of Henry III. After the battle of Evesham he acquired more lands, Kenilworth Castle, lands in Nottingham, Derby, Warwick, Lincoln, and Leicester. The family had become very wealthy as well as powerful. Phillip died without a male heir so his lands were divided up between 4 heiresses, which were Joan, Joane, Margery, and Maud. Joan married William Mortein, Margery married Ralph Cromwell and Maude married Ralph Boteler. Margery's daughter Joane married Alex Faeville.
During the Invasion of Ireland
it was one of the Norman Barons, a Robert Marmion who wanted to seek even more fame and fortune, who joined Richard de Claire. It is believed, this is how the Irish Marmions came to be.
To be accurate however, you should be aware that the first documentation of a Marmion in Ireland is several hundred years later in the 1300 in the Wexford and Dublin areas with a Gilbert Marmion, there is no way to link him to Robert Marmion who invaded Ireland to him nor to any of the Irish Marmions. In fact, no one, can accurately clain lineage to the Barons Marmion, unless your name is Dykemoke, because the records simply do not exist. However it should be noted that the Chief Herald (see notation below) tells me that his position is that Marmion is of Norman origin, so it may indicate that there is a general belief that the Marmions did come from this line, but no concrete proof.t
A A family in Ireland should be considered a sept, in Scotland a family is considered a clan.
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|in the beginning,
there was Marmion the King's Champion
|Note, except for an occasional and temorary spelling error
Marmions were never, ever, Merryman, Merriman